Anyone had experience with these herbs?

[ramakentesh]

has anyone got experience with any of these herbs or herbal mixes that included herbs from this list:

Dang gui buxue tang (boosts EPO production - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20723591 )
Eucommia bark (natural betablocker and specific inhibitor of NF-kappaB activation in mast cells - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucommia )
Butchers broom (vasoconstrictor - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11152059 )
Dang shen Codonopsis pilosula (adaptogen - increases red blood cell count - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codonopsis_pilosula )
Astragalus radix
Angelica radix
Hawthorn
Scotch Broom
Schisandra chinensis

thanks.

 

[xrunner]

has anyone got experience with any of these herbs or herbal mixes that included herbs from this list:

Dang gui buxue tang (boosts EPO production - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20723591 )
Eucommia bark (natural betablocker and specific inhibitor of NF-kappaB activation in mast cells - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucommia )
Butchers broom (vasoconstrictor - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11152059 )
Dang shen Codonopsis pilosula (adaptogen - increases red blood cell count - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codonopsis_pilosula )
Astragalus radix
Angelica radix
Hawthorn
Scotch Broom
Schisandra chinensis

thanks.

Only codonopsis, astragalus, hawthorn and schisandra.

 

[ramakentesh]

Great - how did you find them?

Astragalus acute makes me feel slightly ill but over time it tends to make me feel good energy wise.

Dang shen was in most of the mixes of tried from TCM and ive never had it alone to indicate whether it had any beneficial actions.

hawthorn Ive never tried and I would be interested in any observations you could afford me.

Schisandra Ive also never tried but ive heard some really impressive things about this general adaptogen.

Thanks.

 

[heapsreal]

astragalus seems to help during cold and flu season, so maybe some immune enhancing effects?

 

[Mya Symons]

Mountainroseherbs.com has some of the individual herbs you mention and Chineseherbsdirect.com has some of the combinations. Mountainroseherbs.com, however, usually does not sell herbs in pill form. However, I believe they sell a capsule making device and vegetarian capsules. And they sell in bulk so you could buy a pound of herb at a time.

 

[ramakentesh]

thanks - Obtaining these herbs wont be a problem for me as I am working with a good friend who is a herbalist.

 

[xrunner]

Great - how did you find them?

Astragalus acute makes me feel slightly ill but over time it tends to make me feel good energy wise.

Dang shen was in most of the mixes of tried from TCM and ive never had it alone to indicate whether it had any beneficial actions.

hawthorn Ive never tried and I would be interested in any observations you could afford me.

Schisandra Ive also never tried but ive heard some really impressive things about this general adaptogen.

Thanks.

They did not help me. I did not notice any change either positive or negative.
Regarding hawthorn I tried it two, three years ago for palpitations and a fast heartbeat but did not do much. Instead, I found Stephania T. very effective.
The best adaptogens I tried have been ashwagandha and reishi.
It's a question of trying and see what works for you.

 

[Sallysblooms]

I take Astragalus every morning. I take other supplements for the immune system and overall health like Maitake D Fraction drops. I have a good line up.

 

[Uno]

I take a Reishi mushroom blend with Astragalus and it does take the viral load off a bit. No magic bullet but I feel better on it than off.

 

[jstefl]

I tried Hawthorn for about a year while I was having problems with low blood pressure. I noticed absolutely no benefit from it.

John

 

[SaraM]

Tried most of them and noticed no benefit.

 

[ramakentesh]

Tried most of them and noticed no benefit.

Sorry - which of those specifically have you tried? Eucommia bark as an example?

 

[SaraM]

Astragalus, Butchers Broom, Hawthorn, .... Herbal supplements never help me. It may help others though.

 

[ramakentesh]

Oh ok. thanks - Id be more curious about Eucommia bark and huperzine A at the moment, but thanks for the info.

 

[Marky90]

I bought something called chisan (with chisandra and some other stuff). It really cleared my head and raised my mood. ill get back and tell if it made me crash

 

[helen1]

I'm taking astragalus membranaceus, the most commonly used species of astragalus, along with a bunch of others to treat systemic c.pneumonia. What I've learned about it from Buhner's book is:

*it strengthens the Th1 immune system and reduces the Th2
*increases CD4+ counts and balances the CD4 CD8 ratio
*is both antibacterial and antiviral
*particularly inhibits Coxsackie B
*increases the activity of SOD
*works best with echinacea and licorice root for immune purposes

Be aware that, like many herbs, it's diuretic and reduces blood pressure and heart rate. It's contraindicated in those with late stage Lyme as it can exacerbate autoimmune responses in that particular illness.

Also be aware that you need to take quite a bit for therapeutic purposes: Buhner recommends 3-6 T in powder form or 30-60 drops 4x a day in tincture. (I'm not taking that much... yet)

So far on my cocktail of herbs, I'm feeling good (but hard to know if it's that or the LDN I've been on for a month).

 

[Hanna]

@helen1 I thought that Bunhner had proscribed astragalus for the CHRONIC lyme...

 

[Thinktank]

@Hanna, he now only recommends it for early lyme. But nothing is that black and white, i know of some late stage lyme sufferers who have benefited from astralagus. I am too thinking about giving it a try sometime later this year.

 

[astraea]

I take about 8 homemade astragalus capsules a day. They are the only thing that keep me from not having cold sores on both corners of my mouth 9 months out of the year. Before that nothing had any affect, including Valtrex. I don't notice any other affect from it though. I also take about 6 Schizandra capsules a day and don't notice any affect from that. But then I never notice anything from any of the many supplements I take and that I've tried.

 

[energyoverload]

Has anyone tried the specific combination of herbs contained in Myelophil preperations? Myelophil contains both Astragali Radix and Salviae Radix. I found this paper on use of Myelophil in Chronic Fatigue. Granted this is not specifically in ME, but I wonder if it could yield some benefit? Some research shows it may exhibit antioxidant properties and potentially reduce Glucorticoid Receptor Resistance, but its not entirely clear cut.

I came across these (obviously Chronic Fatigue, nonetheless it may still help some in our cases): http://cms.herbalgram.org/herbclip/380/pdfs/060691.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23665312