Combination of Supplements Allows Me to Work and Exercise - But causes extreme Gastritis

[Mya Symons]

Hello. I have a quandry. I have CFS along with Fibromyalgia. I have been reading on the internet and getting books on alternative therapies for Fibromyalgia and CFS. Through the information I have been getting, I have been experimenting with supplements for 3 years. I have eliminated those that don't work or have bad side effects. Through my experimenting, I have found a combination that REALLY works well. I have been able to go through most of my day without pain and I can go to the gym 2 to 3 times a week. It really is a miracle.

The problem is that I am taking an enormous amount of supplements (60 a day) and I have very bad gastritis. I am taking a medicine called sucralfate which helps a bit.

If there is someone here who really knows their CFS and/or Fibromyalgia SUPPLEMENTS, I would really appreciate your help. Could you let me know what you would eliminate?

Here is the list of supplements I take:

1-B-12 Methylcobalamin
2-NADH
3-Buffered Vitamin C (Pall Protocol)
4-Co-Q Gamma E w/Tocotrienols & Carotenoids (Pall Protocol)
5-Dichloroacetate
6-EPA/DHA (Fish Oil - Pall Protocol)
7-Fibronol (Pall Protocol - Ecklonia Cava)
8-Flavinox (Pall Protocol)
a. Milk Thistle (Seed) Extract (Standardized to 80% Silymarin); 80 mg:
b. Bilberry (Berries) Extract (Standardized to 25% Anthocyanidins); 100 mg;
c. Ginkgo (Leaves) Extract (Standardized to 24% Flavonglycosides and 6% Terpene Lactones); 40 mg:
d. Grape Seed Extract (Standardized to 50% Polyphenols); 100 mg;
e. Green Tea Extract (Decaffeinated, Standardized to 35% EGCG); 80 mg);
f. Cranberry Juice (Berries) Extract; 100 mg;
g. Hawthorn (50% as Berry and 50% as Leaves and Flowers) Extract (Standardized to 1.8% Vitexin-2-O”-Rhamnoside); 100 mg)
9 - Glutathione (Reduced) & S-Acetyl-L-Glutathione
10 - MVM-A Antioxidant Protocol (Pall Protocol)
a. Vitamin A (as Retinyl Palmitate); 525 IU
b. Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid); 67 mg
c. Vitamin D3 (as Cholecalciferol); 540 IU
d. Vitamin K1 (as Phytomenadione); 25 µg
e. Thiamin (as Thiamin Hydrochloride); 8 mg
f. Riboflavin (as Riboflavin, Riboflavin-5-Phosphate); 10 mg
g. Vitamin B3 (as Inositol hexanicotinate); 15 mg
h. Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl, Pyridoxine-5-Phosphate); 8 mg
i. 5-Methyltetrahydrofolate (from (6S)-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid, glucosamine salt); 200 µg
j. Vitamin B12 (as Hydroxycobalamin); 30 µg
k. Biotin; 100 µg
l. Pantothenic Acid (as D-Pantothenate Calcium); 20 mg
m. Calcium (as Carbonate, Sulfate, Citrate); 83 mg
n. Iodine (as Potassium Iodide); 50 µg
o. Magnesium (as Sulfate, Citrate, Malate, Bisglycinate); 120 mg
p. Zinc (as Zinc Citrate); 7 mg
q. Selenium (as Selenomethionine); 67 µg
r. Copper (as Copper Sulfate); 0.4 mg
s. Manganese (as Manganese Sulfate); 1.5 mg
t. Chromium (as Chromium Picolinate); 50 µg
u. Molybdenum (as Sodium Molybdate); 30 µg
v. Glycine (as Magnesium Bisglycinate); 8 mg
w. Taurine; 83 mg
x. Boron (as Boric Acid); 1 mg
y. N-Acetyl L-Carnitine; 100 mg
z. Lipoic Acid
11- NAC Enhanced Antioxidant Formula (Pall Protocol)
a. N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine; 200 mg
b. Trimethylglycine; 300 mg
c. Ribonucleic Acid; 120 mg
d. Alpha-Lipoic Acid; 100 g
12 - QuatreActiv Folate Plus (Pall Protocol)
a. Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid); 600 mg
b. 5-Methyltetrahydrofolate (from (6S)-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid, glucosamine salt); 500 µg
c. RNA; 50 mg
d. trans-Resveratrol (from Polygonum cuspidatum extract); 25 mg
13 - Sam-e (S-Adenosyl L-Methionine)
14 - Catalase
15 - Adrenal Glandular, Pituitary Glandular & Thyroid Glandular
16 - 7-Keto DHEA
17 - Benfotiamine
18 - Chlorella & Chlorella Growth Factor
19 - Digestive Enzymes
20 - Probiotic
21 - DIM (diindolylmethane)
22 - Essential Amino Acid Complex
a. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Histidine; 150 mg
b. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Isoleucine; 150 mg
c. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Leucine; 150 mg
d. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Lysine HCl; 150 mg
e. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Methionine; 150 mg
f. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Phenylalanine; 150 mg
g. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Threonine; 150 mg
h. AjiPure® Pharmaceutical Grade L-Tryptophan; 150 mg
i. AjiPure® P20harmaceutical Grade L-Valine; 150 mg
23) L-Selenomethionine (L-Selenomethionine stops TPPO Hashimoto’s antibodies after 6 months use)
24) P-5-P ( pyridoxal-5-phosphate) & PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline quinone disodium salt)
25) Ribose
26) N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine
27) Beta-Alanine
28) Extra Vitamin D-3 (1,000 IU; 250%)
29) DL-Phenylalanine
30) DMAE
31) GABA
32) IP-6
33) L-Proline
34) Extra Magnesium Glycinate
35) Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM)
36) Phosphatidyl Serine Complex
a. SerinAid® (Standardized to 20% phosphatidylserine); 1000 mg
b. Phosphatidylserine; 200 mg
c. Phosphatidylcholine; 90 mg
d. Phosphatidylethanolamine; 20 mg

 

[Hanna]

I don't take so many supps as you do, but on top of that have aggressive ABX therapy that is hard on the stomach. In order to ease the problem, I drink fresh cabbage juice (home made) away from food, several times a day and it helps me (there was even in the 50's a double blind study done by Dr Cheney from Stanford about its efficiency in gastric ulcer therapy).

 

[Mya Symons]

I don't take so many supps as you do (perhaps 60%) but on top of that have aggressive ABX therapy that is hard on the stomach. In order to ease the problem, I drink fresh cabbage juice (home made) away from food, several times a day and it helps me (there was even in the 50's a double blind study done by Dr Cheney from Stanford about its efficiency in gastric ulcer therapy).

It sounds good, but I can't have cabbage because I also have Hashimoto's Disease (Autoimmune thyroid disease). Cabbage lowers thyroid function and interferes with synthroid.

 

[Hanna]

I am sorry, Mya, I understand your concern.

 

[Mya Symons]

I am sorry, Mya, I understand your concern.

Thanks for your help, though.

 

[Mij]

@Mya Symons Have you looked into PepZin GI? I took x2/day until I finished the bottle. I no longer have discomfort.

http://pepzingi.com/

 

[adreno]

Chlorella gave me EXTREME gastritis. First thing I would eliminate.

SAM-e and DMAE also gave me stomach pain. Probiotics can be hit or miss.

 

[Tammy]

Do you take this many supplements every single day? Personally, I would take some days off now and then from All the supplements.

 

[Martial]

Absorbic acid (high dose vitamin C) could trigger issues like gastritis. There is a lot of other things you mentioned I have never even heard of until now.

 

[Mya Symons]

@Mya Symons Have you looked into PepZin GI? I took x2/day until I finished the bottle. I no longer have discomfort.

http://pepzingi.com/

I think I will try this. Thanks.

 

[Mya Symons]

Absorbic acid (high dose vitamin C) could trigger issues like gastritis. There is a lot of other things you mentioned I have never even heard of until now.

The Vitamin C is from the Pall Protocol and it is buffered so it shouldn't cause cause stomach problems.

 

[Mya Symons]

Do you take this many supplements every single day? Personally, I would take some days off now and then from All the supplements.

I usually take a break on the weekends from all the supplements because I do not have to work. I just deal with the pain on those days.

 

[Mya Symons]

Chlorella gave me EXTREME gastritis. First thing I would eliminate.

SAM-e and DMAE also gave me stomach pain. Probiotics can be hit or miss.

I'll try leaving the Chlorella out for a few days and see what happens. It is in there because for some reason it gives me some energy, but I could probably live without it. Thanks.

 

[zzz]

@Mya Symons, this is a complex picture, and as we all react differently to various supplements, I'm not sure that anyone can tell you the answer based on the list. Also, there are various possibilities for what is causing the problem:

• One specific supplement
• Several different supplements, or their interaction
• The sheer number of supplements

The last one is a notable possibility because you're dumping a lot of binders and fillers into your stomach every day, and many people's stomachs react to that.

There is a methodical procedure that you can do that will find the problem and make it clear how to fix it. It's essentially a variation of the binary search algorithm that's been used by programmers for decades. You can do this on weekends, when you normally wouldn't be taking any supplements.

Start with all your supplements; this is the first "current group". Then go through the following steps until you've determined what the problem is.

1. Divide the current group in half, putting what you would consider to be your most important supplements in one half, and the least important in the other. Try to keep supplements from a given protocol together, at least in the early rounds.
2. Take the supplements in the group that contains the more important ones. For best results, take it on both days of the weekend.
3. If you have no problems taking just this group (Group 1), then next weekend, add in half the supplements from the other group (Group 2). If you do have a problem, make Group 2 your current group and next weekend, go to Step 1; if you still have a problem after doing Step 1 and this is your first time through these instructions, it is the number of supplements that is causing the problem.
   
4. If you still have no problems with the new Group 1, each weekend, continue adding half of the remaining Group 2 to Group 1.
5. If one of these additions causes problems, then remove half of what you added; this becomes the new Group 2.
6. Try the new Group 1, and then go to the instructions starting at Step 3. Eventually you'll find a single supplement, or a small number of supplements, that are causing the problem.

Once you find the supplement or supplements that appear to be causing the problem, temporarily put them back into the group of supplements that you're taking and remove the same number of less important supplements. If the gastritis returns, this verifies that it was those supplements. If it doesn't, this means that it is simply the number of supplements that is causing the problem, and you should remove one or more of the less important supplements until the problem goes away.

This should work...

 

[SickOfSickness]

May be obvious: Do you take all of them with food? Some won't matter but IMO some will be very irritating to your system if taken on an empty stomach.

I am doing similar to zzz's suggestion, to find which supplement(s) are causing me symptoms.

 

[Mya Symons]

@Mya Symons, this is a complex picture, and as we all react differently to various supplements, I'm not sure that anyone can tell you the answer based on the list. Also, there are various possibilities for what is causing the problem:

• One specific supplement
• Several different supplements, or their interaction
• The sheer number of supplements

The last one is a notable possibility because you're dumping a lot of binders and fillers into your stomach every day, and many people's stomachs react to that.

There is a methodical procedure that you can do that will find the problem and make it clear how to fix it. It's essentially a variation of the binary search algorithm that's been used by programmers for decades. You can do this on weekends, when you normally wouldn't be taking any supplements.

Start with all your supplements; this is the first "current group". Then go through the following steps until you've determined what the problem is.

1. Divide the current group in half, putting what you would consider to be your most important supplements in one half, and the least important in the other. Try to keep supplements from a given protocol together, at least in the early rounds.
2. Take the supplements in the group that contains the more important ones. For best results, take it on both days of the weekend.
3. If you have no problems taking just this group (Group 1), then next weekend, add in half the supplements from the other group (Group 2). If you do have a problem, make Group 2 your current group and next weekend, go to Step 1; if you still have a problem after doing Step 1 and this is your first time through these instructions, it is the number of supplements that is causing the problem.
   
4. If you still have no problems with the new Group 1, each weekend, continue adding half of the remaining Group 2 to Group 1.
5. If one of these additions causes problems, then remove half of what you added; this becomes the new Group 2.
6. Try the new Group 1, and then go to the instructions starting at Step 3. Eventually you'll find a single supplement, or a small number of supplements, that are causing the problem.

Once you find the supplement or supplements that appear to be causing the problem, temporarily put them back into the group of supplements that you're taking and remove the same number of less important supplements. If the gastritis returns, this verifies that it was those supplements. If it doesn't, this means that it is simply the number of supplements that is causing the problem, and you should remove one or more of the less important supplements until the problem goes away.

This should work...

Thanks zzz, I will try it.

 

[Mya Symons]

May be obvious: Do you take all of them with food? Some won't matter but IMO some will be very irritating to your system if taken on an empty stomach.

I am doing similar to zzz's suggestion, to find which supplement(s) are causing me symptoms.

I do take them with food. But, for lunch I always eat a salad with mixed greens. Maybe I could try adding some carbs and that would help.

 

[cigana]

A lot of those you might be able to get in the True Food range (http://www.highernature.co.uk/Categories/true-food) which I think are made from food, rather than with binders. Might help.

 

[ellenelle]

Mya,

Have you tried deglycyrrhizinated licorice? It works well for me to reduce stomach pain and nausea. Take it on an empty stomach, a while before taking anything else.