manna
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There's a difference between "not believing" and "disbelieving". Someone might have a strong belief that god does not exist, based on various factors. And someone else might not believe that god exists, such as due to a lack of evidence, while still not believing that he definitely does not exist.i've heard this before, atheism supposedly being the absence of a belief in god. how can not believing be neutral?
I'm not saying all stories of miracles are fabricated (some of course would be mis-attribution or self-delusion), but how do we know that modern stories of "miracles" are not just continuing a long tradition to attract church attendees and sales?
That doesn't follow. It assumes that illnesses are either physical or mental. They are a combination of both. Outside the West medicine understands this. ME is a physical illness but it can, and often does, have mental consequences. I also suspect that the physical is dominant at the beginning but the psychological component becomes more important as time goes on, "locking" them into a life with ME. Is it not at least possible that some people get to the point where it is this that is preventing their recovery and some kind of process/event/ therapy (religious or otherwise) is the trigger for their release? Just my theory why some people do get better from "miracle cures".She'd possibly have been a good candidate for Phil Parker and/or a bit of CBT.
I really can't take this seriously, but pleased she's able to get about again.
If something can be cured by a mental process, it was probably caused by a mental process.
That doesn't follow. It assumes that illnesses are either physical or mental. They are a combination of both. Outside the West medicine understands this. ME is a physical illness but it can, and often does, have mental consequences. I also suspect that the physical is dominant at the beginning but the psychological component becomes more important as time goes on, "locking" them into a life with ME. Is it not at least possible that some people get to the point where it is this that is preventing their recovery and some kind of process/event/ therapy (religious or otherwise) is the trigger for their release? Just my theory why some people do get better from "miracle cures".
That doesn't follow. It assumes that illnesses are either physical or mental. They are a combination of both. Outside the West medicine understands this. ME is a physical illness but it can, and often does, have mental consequences. I also suspect that the physical is dominant at the beginning but the psychological component becomes more important as time goes on, "locking" them into a life with ME. Is it not at least possible that some people get to the point where it is this that is preventing their recovery and some kind of process/event/ therapy (religious or otherwise) is the trigger for their release? Just my theory why some people do get better from "miracle cures".
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Helping sick people with symptoms, to feel more comfortable, to maintain a human contact whilst severely sick ... these are some of the best practices of 'holistic' type therapies......
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But in my view, and experience, the whole 'Mindbody' theory and bandwaggon perpetuation of unrealistic claims, and in particular the mindless meme insistance that "all illnesses have a psychological component"...... has developed into a cultural tyranny of physically sick people..... not least due to 'holism' and mindbody theory having become a multibillion dollar global industry
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